Friday, 26 December 2008

  • America: The Nation Of Clean Freaks?


     

    All this stuff against Chinese people is really annoying.  Yes, I am Chinese and you could just say that I'm biased, but I find myself to be a rather open minded person who TRIES my best to be informed before I decide my opinion. There is a blog about boycotting Chinese and Mexican foods because they're harmful.  I agree with boycotting harmful foods, but you can't just generalize all Chinese and Mexican foods as unsafe.  I wonder if that person has ever heard of the bovine growth hormone?

    That's something unsafe for people that cattle growers give to their cows so they'll make more milk.  It's pretty harmful to the cows and is bad for humans who ingest it when drinking the milk from the cows.  Yet the U.S. government allows bovine growth hormone to be used.  

    And what about the mad cow disease?  That was caused by vegetarian cows being fed cow parts, so cattle growers can save money!  There's a reason Europe refuses to import American foods even when they end up violating a WTO treaty by doing so.

    A comment on the blog said this:

    "Having been to China and living off of their food for two weeks, I can honestly say that yes, I avoid their food at all costs.  Of course, sometimes you don't know where your food has come from, because it doesn't always say, but if I know it came from China, I definitely avoid it.  I'll just say that the Chinese food here in restaurants is very Americanized and that their sanitary practices in restaurants are nothing like ours.  If you knew how they made food, how they stored their meat, you would not eat anything from China."

    You ate Chinese food and you're still alive aren't you?  I see you didn't mention getting sick at all.  I went to China too and so did a million other people!  Chinese food is the BEST.  It tastes good, there's so much variety, and it's HEALTHY.  Ever see a fat Chinese person?  That's what I thought.

    Americans freak out too much about being clean.  Food should be stored and cooked properly, but Americans go overboard with it.  If you weren't used to it, the street vendors would probably gross you out.  

    Their cooking equipment is not all that clean, but the food tastes DELICIOUS and millions of people eat it every day.  It's not super harmful like you think it is.  I don't see half of China getting sick every day.  It's okay.  Relax.

    Also, everything these days are "anti-bacterial."  That just means it has alcohol in it for killing germs and it dries the crap out of your skin.  People in America are so far removed from the natural world that they just forget what it's like not to have a completely germ-free life.  It's okay.  SOME bacteria (not all and I'm definitely not advocating that you live in dirtiness and get sick) are okay and are in fact important for your immune system.  Why do more kids in America have asthma while kids in other countries don't?  America is TOO CLEAN.  Why do kids in America have allergies?  Because, once again America is TOO CLEAN.

    Being too clean can cause other problems as well.  Anyone who has taken a class with evolution in it should know this.  Killing so many germs will cause them to evolve into new ones that are resistant to our current methods of killing germs.  

    You can kill germs, but you can never get ALL of them, so the ones that survive are the ones carrying the genes that make them resistant.  Then they produce more germs that are resistant too, and before you know it, you'll need a new way to kill them.  

    This is what happened to penicillin.  No one uses it anymore because it's practically USELESS now.  Don't get me wrong, I love America, but sometimes America disappoints me.  For those of you who single out the Chinese and the Mexicans, I hope you guys go get some education.

    To what level of "cleanliness" do you live with and what levels do you think is healthy?  Do you think foreign, ethnic foods get wrongfully discriminated?  Why or why not?

Comments (46)

  • wolvenchic@xanga

    lol what was funny about that though, is when i heard there was problems with food...I avoid that type of food where ever it comes from lol...Not nessisarily where its comming from.

  • musicmom60@xanga

    I've never heard anything negative about Chinese or Mexican food.  We eat it all the time.

    I know what you mean about many Americans being clean freaks.  Germs didn't kill us when we were growing up.  They're not going to kill the kids now.  Yes, American kids have more problems because we're bleaching everything, we're killing all the germs, and they build no tolerance or immunity.

    Nothing wrong with soap and water.  All that antibacterial stuff is not necessary.  My daughter used to go to a school where the teacher made them use that on their hands several times a day.  Her hands became so raw, red and chapped that she'd cry as she was trying to fall asleep at night.  Everything I tried to put on them to soothe it only burned.  That was way worse than a few germs that do no harm!  It took months to heal.

  • StrawberryShy@xanga

    It's no wonder Americans get sick when they go to other countries... We have no immune system because we disinfect everything...

  • keyboarderrr@xanga

    I'm Chinese America and I was offended by that post too :/ I think America is pretty dirty (restaurant-wise). I saw a documentary on how workers were dealing with food behind the kitchen and also how a maid was cleaning stuff in a hotel and an upscale hotel at that! Grossed me out. We're also responsible for bringing diseases to other countries are we not? And vice versa...

  • TheOriginalImperial@xanga

    I hear alot of negative stuff about Mexican, Chinese & Japanese food.  There's alot of bad food out there, but I think we shouldn't generalize it based on certain countries.  Americans are fat.  Don't blame it on the WRONG food choices...nothing more nothing less.

  • rawrchicken@xanga

    agreed. americans are insane.

  • N_Aunimus_of_ECC@xanga

    there's a few hole in the walls here that are pretty grimy, yet over the years I find myself healthier than people who shop at Whole Foods. I'm sure a little bit of dirt has been my flushot over the years. I don't mind a little bit of MSGs either..

  • LadyLibellule@xanga

    It's not the germs.  It's the melamine, lead, mercury, arsenic, etc. that's been found in Chinese products.  The baby formula scare?  It wasn't germs.  It was melamine, the same poison that caused the dog-food scare last year.  Eating imported packaged foods would not really be a germ issue.  It's those other things people are worried about.

    And there are fat Chinese people.  Apparently, obesity is becoming an epidemic in China as well.  And because there are so many Chinese people, it could become a HUGE problem.

    I think maybe you need to educate yourself a little more before you go attacking everyone else's opinions.

  • kash
    yay!

    @LadyLibellule@xanga - there actually is a growing concern about fat in China, so you're right but one of the reasons behind it is the Americanized food many Chinese eat now.  Big fast food corporations are going to China because of its growing economy and in the process bringing many of the foods that have caused problems in America. 

  • NoMoreThinSpos@xanga

    Complete double standard:


    In Russia, microwaves are banned. They have been proven multiple times to be very harmful to public health. And yet nearly everything in America is prepared by such means, or picked up through a drive thru menu. 0.o


    Also, few countries put so much insistance on meat consumption, which also leads to health problems. In America, this is the norm.


    Not to mention, you do not want to know how many insects, rat hair, and rat feces winds up in processed foods- mainly peanut butter. 0.o


    These are only a few of the examples I take off the top of my head.

  • phuck_diz_shiz@xanga

    agree americans are clean freaks
    ANTI-BACTERIAL SOAP ?- regular soap is actually BETTER* than ANTI*** bacterial soap
    But people dont seem to know that
    Seeing the word ANTI- BACTERIAL - they automatically think its better

  • Earthboundgrowth

    LMAO. I think the "clean" movement is what killed the "farm" movement...and look how that hurt us, less people growing organic food which means a help in increases of corporate farms which're much more likely to produce foods that'll undermine your immune system or kill you (in the extreme cases of them realizing something's wrong too late because the farmers are not spending one on one time with their plants and animals..and neither are the how many hands they hire).

    I'm a farm girl. Country is the only place I'd ever want to live. If I was paranoid of germs and dirt, I couldn't live out here.
     You can't be a hundred percent germ free. Not ever.
    Attempting to be so brings problems. And these people who try to do just that in the cities aren't even thinking about what pollution and chemicles does the body (to the brain and lungs especially!).

    It's just another side effect of living blindly, really. Not really putting a coupla minutes' thought into things as they really should. Reactionary decisions, sometimes fear-based ones at that.

    People forget that our body NEEDS germs and dirt in order to be able to protect us once something particularly nasty DOES come along. And anyway, it's not just bigger badder germs that our bad habits have created...but bigger badder pests as well.
     2008 was unofficially the year when fleas and lice became more resistant against treatment to get rid of them. No one I knew managed to kill them...and like I said, we're country out here, we've been killing them for years.

  • somethingbluee@xanga

    agree... i have been eating asian food for more than 20 years and i am still alive like many others.

  • Cashew

    There is always going to outbreaks of unhealthy foods, but to try and categorize it to just one or two cultures is just plain dumb.  Plus, Chinese and Mexican food is really yummy!

  • inspireothers@xanga

    AGREE ! Chinese food vendors are the best ! I'd know, I'm Chinese, and we Chinese people most often knows what's good and whats not. You just have to get used to it. It's also about your immune system.

  • Shock_Every0ne@xanga

    "Ever see a fat Chinese person?  That's what I thought."
    Yes.. I've seen many?

    Why are you not supposed to drink water from mexico?

    I work in a hospital and we use anti bacterial soap, hand sanitizer, and disinfectant wipes

  • AugustWallflower@xanga

    I wrote the comment that you quoted.  Everyone has their own opinions, which is fine.  Eat Chinese food or don't eat Chinese food, I don't care.  My preference for the food has NOTHING to do with the Chinese people themselves.  I loved everyone I met, and I would have stayed there a lot longer than two weeks if I could have.  I would live there in a heartbeat, even though I disliked most of the food that I ate and the way the food is kept and cooked is unsanitary.  (And yes, I'm aware that a lot of American restaurants are unsanitary, too.)  


    As for thinking Chinese food is delicious?  AMERICANIZED Chinese food--the kind you eat over here, IS delicious, I completely agree.  But real, authentic Chinese food in rural China is NOT appealing to me in any way what-so-ever.  At least it's not in the southwestern area of the country.  I'm not sure about there rest, and the only place we ate at in Beijing is Pizza Hut and the hotel, so I can't really say much about that area, either.  But the way the food is in rural areas of China isn't appealing at all.  And I think everyone has a right to their own opinion.  An opinion can't be right or wrong, it's an opinion.  
    Not only that, but it's not the food that I have a problem with, it's the way the food is processed and handled.  It's the way melamine and things get added to it.  I think that's what most people have a problem with.  That's what I have a problem with more than anything, anyway.  
    I would eat the food in China over Mexico any day.  I even drank the water in China. Well, not pure water.  Green tea.  I hated green tea before I went over there, and after being there two weeks, it grew on me and that's all I drink most days now.  (Jasmine pearl tea is the best thing ever and I bought a ton of it while I was over there.  The kind over here isn't nearly as good.)  I was just fine drinking their green tea--not sure if it's because the water was boiled, or just because it's better than Mexico's water, but I didn't get sick.  Still, I would still pick American made food over Chinese food, and I think most other people would, too.  
  • SeitekiChibiNeko@xanga

    T_T
    Chinese and Mexican cosmetics/foodstuffs/etc. can be contaminated with heavy metals and industrial chemicals because they don't have as strict laws there about industrial hygiene and foods safety. But you could say the same about products that come from India or Peru... and generally any developing country is going to be considerably "dirtier" than an developed nation.

    There's nothing wrong with the US's obsession with hygiene, only that stuff like the FDA allowing antibiotics like triclosan be put in any soaps/body washes/etc happens too much over here. If only normal cleaning products were available, we wouldn't be stregthening our germs. Personally I use only biodegradable stuff and often pull out the vinegar & coarse salt for scrubbing.

  • LadyLibellule@xanga

    @SeitekiChibiNeko@xanga - "There's nothing wrong with the US's
    obsession with hygiene, only that stuff like the FDA allowing
    antibiotics like triclosan be put in any soaps/body washes/etc happens
    too much over here."

    Ugh... I know.  I always read labels, and I just stay away from the commercial stuff now because so much of it has stuff like triclosan.  Even toothpaste!

    Hygiene is a good thing.  It's one of the main reasons why we don't get disease outbreaks like we used to.  Just look at Zimbabwe and their cholera outbreak.  It's spread like wildfire because there's sewage everywhere.  Could we get cholera here?  Yes, but it probably wouldn't turn into an epidemic because the contamination issue wouldn't be as big.

  • xiaosnowtenshi@xanga
    Thank you, that other post somewhat offended me as well. For all the times I've visited Taiwan/China/Hong Kong and eaten at Chinese restaurants here, I've never had food poisoning or anything along that line. Funny thing is, the first time I did it was at an American-cuisine restaurant. What's unsanitary to me is this one burger place where the same cashiers who take your money also make your burgers. So no, it's not just Asian and Mexican business that have questionable sanitary practices--that can happen at any restaurant. They're also not the only countries who add questionable things in their products. I wish Americans would stop assuming all of China uses harmful substances based on a few companies that do. Like you said, people aren't dying left and right every day from the food over there.

    @LadyLibellule@xanga -  She addressed the non-germ issues in some American food as well, so I think she's aware that it's not all just about germs. The germ issue was brought up as a rebuttal to the comment left on the other blog. Please read more carefully. Also, yes, there are fat Chinese people--but like Kash said part of that is due to the growing abundance of American fast food chains. Traditional Chinese staple is a lot like that of Japan's (consisting mostly of rice, fish, poultry...and not so much red meat), hence why Asian people are *typically* shorter and slimmer. Of course, there are exceptions just like any other country.

  • xx_x_beautifully_broken_x_xx@xanga

    I'm Chinese and honestly, by the ways some Chinese people cook and sell food (street vendors), I can't blame others when they judge our food to be unclean and unhealthy. However, just because we can't make sure the street vendors sell proper food, we cannot conclude that ALL Chinese food is bad. I can say, from a Chinese person's honest point of view, most of China's food is healthy and clean. I have lived in China for a long time and still go back there every year, and have never gotten sick from food because we buy food from proper supermarkets and cook them properly. Of course if you buy from those super small vendors on the street, nobody can guarantee you won't get food poisoning. On Chinese news, there are soo many kids who got terribly sick (even died) because they did not buy food from proper stores. And frankly, people should have enough logic to know where is a safe place to get food and what type of products are decent (labels are there for a reason). So if you have your living abilities and skills, then Chinese food won't damage your health.

  • Sage_and_Citrus@xanga

    Oh my gosh, thank you.  Seeing all the ninth graders in the low-level elective I'm taking use Germ-X before EVERYTHING is the most disgusting thing I've ever seen.  One tried to make me use it before picking up a cupcake I was going to eat.  If someone doesn't speak up about this issue more, we're going to have a really terrible next generation, medically.

    And I went to China, also.  The food was DELICIOUS.  Especially any time we used hot pots.  :D

  • Faith14@xanga

    @AugustWallflower@xanga - Hey!!!  I want to apologize for this post going up with your comment in it.  I know you made your distinction about being in a rural area.  I actually wrote this post awhile ago...before you made your reply and before this post was featured.  Sorry about that!!!!  >.<  

  • figachewy@xanga

    I see your point, I've travelled to China as well. However, I'm going to side with people that would boycott Chinese and Mexican foods because of the high lack of regulation in those particular countries (mainly an FDA-equivalent). I'm not saying American foods don't have mishaps, such as E.coli breakouts in spinach or mad-cow diseased beef, but if word breaks out the batch was contaminated, there are recalls and news reports and postings in the grocery store. Chinese mishaps? The process for recalling or realizing the harmful products takes longer.

    Again, the lack of FDA-equivalent really makes China mass-developed products less-trustworthy. And if parents are protective of their children and want to use handiwipes, then so be it, it's better than losing your child to a slim chance of  bacterial infection.

  • AugustWallflower@xanga

    @Faith14@xanga - I don' t mind.  I figure if you post a comment, you're fair game.  I just wanted to make it clear that despite how I feel about Chinese food, it doesn't affect how I feel about the people of China--and that's the most important thing, I think.  

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