Sunday, 19 July 2009

  • Myths vs. Facts About Canadian Healthcare



    I have written about this before (click on Canada in my tags), but it bears repeating, since I hear that Americans are now being treated to TV ads wherein a supposed Canadian urges them not to let the government "get between" them and their doctors. For  heaven's sake, Americans ought to be angry at whoever is spreading these lies.

    I live in Ontario and am more than happy to answer any kinds of questions anyone may have about healthcare. Just write me and ask! I reiterate that I myself have been gravely ill during my life, and have been treated and cured by a system that never burdened me with the ruinous (to an individual) costs of such treatment. Instead, those costs were borne by Canadians as a whole, who can easily afford as a group what would be life-destroying to a single person.

    The government does not get between me and my excellent doctor. When I go to the hospital, I am never asked about money. Instead, I hand over a health card that proves I am entitled to Canadian healthcare, and the remaining discussions are entirely about what's wrong with me and how I may best be treated. 

    What the government does for me is collect taxes from all Canadians, including me, a portion of which goes to pay for all of our collective medical needs. Doctors have only one organization to send their bills to. Certain things aren't included, notably dental and optical expenses, but many Canadians get some coverage for those through their employers. I'm not looking forward to my next dental appointment, since I know some stuff is going wrong in there -- but I can't imagine what it would feel like to dread my next appointment with the doctor because I might not be able to afford to pay for it.

    Decades ago, the citizens of Canada ordered their provincial governments to collect taxes and to pay for healthcare for all Canadians. My own experiences suggest that we have a great system here, even when you consider that wait times in emergency can be longish. The government doesn't interfere -- it serves our best interests, as it was told to do, and it does so in a way that is much cheaper than what the same services cost in the United States, because the government is not allowed to make a fortune from our medical needs. Simple!

    Private profit-taking interests are trying and trying to chip away at our system here in Canada and to discredit it so that Americans will not take any steps to end the great money-making venture that is private provision of healthcare in the United States. Don't listen to them. Ask me and other Canadians for the truth instead! Our way is much cheaper and more humane. I am proud to feel that my taxes help other Canadians to get good healthcare. If you are an American, imagine the peace of mind!

    Don't let private profit-takers get between you and your doctor!

Comments (94)

  • JoeytheGenie@xanga
  • missedout_onlife@xanga

    I lived in Montreal for 10 years and it was amazing, the healthcare system there. I don't understand why we can't emulate it here as well, it's not that hard. It's extremely expensive here and insurance companies are all ripping us off just to gain more money, they don't really care about the people. It's all about the money...I hate it. If I ever have something wrong with me, I'm so happy I'm a Canadian citizen so I can go back up for procedures and whatnot.

  • DistantStarlight@xanga

    Excellent- a firsthand experience is needed for all of us down in the U.S.A. I have wondered what the system is like from the inside- I hear people saying this or that about Canadian healthcare, people who have never been to Canada, never even talked to a Canadian. (I am proud to say I have FIVE good Canadian friends!) But you live with it and you let us know about it! That helps. Thanks for that!

  • Bricker59@xanga

    I totally agree with all you've said. And I can back it up with personal experience too.


    I had a blood clot in my lung. Six tests done, 6 days in hospital, plus ambulance ride. Cost to me...nothing.


    Friend in Wisconsin, her mother had the same thing done. Same six tests, six days, ambulance. Cost to them...$250,000. They lost their home and their daughters college fund.


    I will never understand why the Americans put up with it. Rent the movie Sicko, it makes it all very clear.The USA is the only democratic country that treats it's people this way.

  • Anna_Banana_8605@xanga

    I think you have had much better luck than most. I have family friends who live in Winnipeg and several years ago the mother had an eptopic pregnancy and waited in the hospital for 4 days before they could operate on her, because they had already met their quota of operations in that hopsital for that month!! There was a woman who was 3 weeks past her due date walking up and down the hall trying to cause labor because they would not induce her until the 1st of the month. These are two personal accounts that I witnessed.


     Luckily my family friends have enough money that if it was necessary she could have come to the US and paid out of pocket to have the necessary surgery. And I feel very fortunate to be able to afford good health insurance for myself as well as having no health problems in my past. Socialist healthcare is great for people who are poor, terrible for people who have money. Families who can easily afford health insurance now would be paying at least three times more for the same or worse health insurance (because it makes everyone equal regardless of income) allowing poor families to have "free" insurance.


    Yes I agree that EVERYONE should have a right to health care, but I do not feel like I should have to pay for others to have insurance.

  • splitsecondshot@xanga

    The only reason I could possibly think of that we, the United States keep it that way, is to circulate money and keep the economy growing. While I hate the fact that it is like that, I am fortunate enough to have my mother work in a hospital in which she and her family receive health care at no charge except a monthly subtraction from her pay, which even then isn't that bad.

    I feel fortunate enough never to have worried about medical expenses for my whole life but am now reaching the point where I may not be covered anymore. I'm out of my parent's policy the second I hit 18, which is this September. I'm prone for injuries and sickness so I'm just hoping nothing happens.

    The good thing is I'm joining the military as an E-5 so I should expect a well amount of benefits from that, including health care. I haven't looked too much into it, but isn't Obama trying to campaign to pass a new health care policy? Is it similar to the Canadian's?

  • storyslut@xanga

    Because of greed, it is not just the poor who cannot afford heath insurance.  Premiums have gone up so much, that middle class cannot afford it either.  I feel for all those who have lost jobs, because if you are not in a group and have to buy it individually, you are going to pay more than your rent/house payment.  Anna Banana is already paying for others who have no insurance.  It is a mess.  I fear that those who are gaining so much with the system we have now, will corrupt whatever we may be able to put in place.

  • helvetebrann@xanga

    Every time I've asked a Canadian friend about their health care system, they've just stared at me.  They don't understand why I even bother to ask; as far as they're concerned they get sick or injured, get the help they need, and that's it.

  • gnostic1@xanga

    The OR table, the stretcher, the IV pole, the IV fluid, anaesthetic machine,  overhead lights , instruments, etc etc etc in every OR in Toronto were developed in the US or Switzerland or Germany ( with a few exceptions) and not in Canada or Sweden . The sad truth is that the world needs the cash-as-stimulus system that the sensible people ( including me ) decry.


    Many Canadian politicians and executives go to the US fot treatment, the reverse is not the case. Sick pmemature babies from Edmonton and  similar sometimes are sent to the US because of a lack of incubators; and not to New York but to places like Great Falls that are smaller but can afford to buy extras.  Something between the US and the Canadian system is needed.

  • Katherine_the_third@xanga

    I love our Canadian health care system. I couldn't ever imagine paying to see a doctor, seriously!

  • xo__crazybeautiful@xanga

    @TheSpaceBass@xanga - i'm canadian and i disagree with everything you said, your right that was all very harsh. you must be american, wow. very harsh indeed. you dont care about anyone other then yourself, just so you know its not like we are actually paying for others treatment because im not even paying for my own, the taxes that we pay, its nothing, compared to the day when you have cancer and your insurance company drops you because of some small flaw somewhere in your background. then your losing your cars, home and any savings. and all because you could give to shits about the person next to you... a very american way of thinking..

  • Coke0@xanga

    I really don't understand why Americans put up with their system...its the main reason I will never move to the US. Healthcare is a right, not a privilege, and no one should be trying to profit off of another's sickness. 


    It pisses me off when people say "I don't want to pay for someone else's treatment" its not like you are personally being billed for someone's cancer treatment that lives across the country from you. The money you pay to the government goes into a collective fund to pay for EVERYONE'S medical needs. That includes yours!! How selfish. At least here we don't have corrupt doctors and insurance agencies making money off of our sicknesses.
  • xo__crazybeautiful@xanga

    i love the canadian health care system, couldnt ask for it to be any better. my mom has had 2 brain operations and if we were living in the states, we would be broke with nothing left.
    sure everything seems fine and dandy with buying health insurance in the states until that day when you need to use it, then all of a sudden your insurance company denies your claim because of some stupid flaw in your past. then what other option do you have? none!
    my mom went in and out of the hospital paying nothing for her operations and treatment. cost to an american .. well over $500,000

    Canada Rocks !!

  • Coke0@xanga

    @xo__crazybeautiful@xanga - agreed!! Some people are soo selfish I can't even believe it. 

  • CuriousGeorgina@xanga

    Thanks for all these comments. As the author of the words above, it's very interesting to read what you all have said.

    I was on a cruise out of Miami last year. One night at dinner, I sat next to an American couple who complained about the Katrina refugees. Apparently, they were clogging up the local hospital and other social services, making it harder for the local residents to get treatment and so forth. He opined that if they couldn't "take care of themselves," why should other people be expected to take care of them?

    My Canadian spouse and I goggled at each other, food forgotten. I am proud that Canadians help each other to achieve the ideal of a minimum standard of living for all Canadians. It is not "every man for himself" up here. I cannot say that we succeed entirely, but the collective will is certainly there. And I can say that being supportive of my fellow citizens is not just something to be proud of -- it's in my own best interests, too. If we all pay into a collective healthcare system, we all benefit as individuals, too, anytime we are ill.

    I recovered from a no-doubt expensive, grave illness when I was 25. I was not beggared for life. I have survived almost 20 years since then, years during which I have contributed tax dollars to the very system that saved me, in the sincere hope that I am helping to save others in the same dire straits. I hope that when my life is over, I'll have paid more into the system that I got out of it. But the most important thing is that other Canadians saved me from a life of penury, or more likely, an early death from lack of treatment that I could not afford.

    I can never express my gratitude for that. I can only live, work, and contribute.

  • CommieForADay@xanga

    My fellow Americans need to hear this.

  • B1ANCACACA@xanga

    @xo__crazybeautiful@xanga - I agree with everything you're saying.  That girl was pretty harsh.  I have health insurance yet it barely covers the cost of anything.  My bills for physical therapy and getting a simple x-ray are costing me A LOT.  I have to pay $50 a month, and right now I'm having a hard time paying so it might get sent to a collections agency.  I even called my company to ask to work something out, like paying half.  But they said no matter what, it will get sent to collections.

    I think it's the people who are more fortunate who say they don't want national health care.  Not having any health insurance, or horrible insurance, is pretty darn scary.  My cousin is thousands of dollars in debt from a car accident.  Things need to change.

  • TakingxOverxMe@xanga

    All the commercials and groups against healthcare for everyone are just pissed because it'll mean less money in their own damn pockets. 

    No one cares about the health of their fellow human beings..  As long as they're getting a big payoff, they don't care.

  • eluvzmokie@xanga

    @B1ANCACACA@xanga - yes, I agree. people with lots of money are entitled to get private insurance. even here in Canada if you have the money you can pay to see private doctors and have insurance of your own (this will cover dental and optical which the author mentioned is not covered here, and will give you things like private hospital rooms at no cost if you don't really need the isolation but want the luxury, as well as alternatives like chiropractors and psychologists). maybe the public insurance isn't perfect but I know my parents would have lost both cars and could never stop working without it (i have kidney problems and have had 5 surgeries). the real thing i wanted to reply to was the car accident. last year someone crashed into us on the freeway. both my mom and I required ambulances, which in turn had neck braces, loads of x-rays, pain IVs, etc. public insurance picked up that whole bill and even if it was proven we didn't NEED the ambulances the cost would have only been $45 CDN. thanks for your appreciation of the system though, sorry this was longer than intended

  • Titanic_Spaz@xanga

    I live in Winnipeg. Yesterday I went to a clinic, got seen by a doctor, had 3 X-rays taken of my hand, was prescribed treatment and given a referral to a physiotherapist....and I only waited 1hr total...and paid nothing.

    My grandma on my dad's side just had her second hip replaced....she's 86.

    My grandma on my mom's side had life saving brain surgery to operate on a aneurysm. The surgery was done, and completed successfully even though the doctors gave her only a 10% chance of surviving. She lived for another 20years after that.

    My uncle had cancer in one of his kidneys. He was diagnosed and operated on within 1month. They removed a tumor the size of a softball and saved his life. He's fine to this day, and cancer free.

    For every 'example' of poor Canadian healthcare that comes from misinformed Americans, there is likely 1000 examples of fantastic care coming from actual Canadians.

  • pillowpixies@xanga

    Ahhh.. if America were to do that they'd raise the taxes higher than they need to (so they can get some money out of it) and they'd make the health care system worse, somehow. America is selfish.

  • Titanic_Spaz@xanga

    @gnostic1@xanga - did you realize that the only country on your list that DOESNT have universal healthcare...is the United States? Switzerland has universal healthcare, as does Germany, as does Sweden...and of course..so does Canada. Just for fun...lets look at the list of countries that provide Universal Healthcare:

    Argentina
    Brazil
    Canada
    Chile
    Costa Rica
    Cuba
    Mexico
    Panama
    Peru
    Uruguay
    Venezuela

    Brunei
    China
    Hong Kong
    India
    Kuwait
    Qatar
    UAE
    Saudi Arabia
    Israel
    Japan
    Malaysia
    South Korea
    Seychelles
    Sri Lanka
    Taiwan
    Pakistan
    Thailand

    Austria
    Belgium
    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Bulgaria
    Croatia
    the Czech Republic
    Denmark
    Estonia
    Finland
    France
    Georgia
    Germany
    Greece
    Hungary
    Iceland
    Ireland
    Italy
    Latvia
    Liechtenstein
    Lithuania
    Luxembourg
    Malta
    the Netherlands
    Norway
    Poland
    Portugal
    Romania
    Russia
    Serbia
    Slovakia
    Slovenia
    Spain
    Sweden
    Switzerland
    Ukraine
    the United Kingdom

    Australia
    New Zealand

    Ouch.....that must be...embarassing.

  • PervyPenguin@xanga

    U.S sucks. Granted, I was born and live here but people stare at me when I admit that I believe Canada is one of the best countries in the world. It's safer, GAY MARRIAGE, and HEALTHCARE!

    I remember my first contact when health care, I was in Japan and I came down with a terrible cold. I usually get them since I have a weak immune system, and normally, I stay home because we can't afford a doctor. Since I was in Japan, my host mom INSISTED I go, so I did...feel albeit guilty. I later learned that we didn't pay JACK, they only charged me for the medicine and it was only 300 YEN! (about three dollars)

    U.S is one of the most hard-working countries, yet it's workers are treated the worst. *sigh*

    - Kunoichi

  • Krissy_Cole@xanga

    This was an excellent read. Thanks for sharing.

  • CholericAndMelancholy@xanga

    @xo__crazybeautiful@xanga - agreed!  That is such a typical american way of thinking...

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