Friday, 31 July 2009
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Health Insurance Makes People Fat? FOX Thinks So
I just saw this on FOX. Some people did a study which determined that, among Americans who own health insurance right now, they are fatter than people who don't. I don't remember who did the study, it's probably easily accessible on google or FOX but my point is focused on the story that FOX is trying to tell about this study, and how bogus it is from the viewpoint of statistics.
FOX is trying to say that the results of this study prove that it would be a problem to give everyone health insurance because health insurance makes people fat. They theorize that, because insured people don't have to pay for the consequences of being fat (in money), that means that they are much more likely to carelessly let themselves go and become fat.
Aside from that fact that is just bizarre on it's face, the people on this show don't know the difference between a simple correlation and a causal relationship.
A simple correlation is only one of three criteria which is necessary to claim the presence of a causal relationship.
Here are the three criteria necessary to prove a causal relationship (in this case the causal relationship that FOX is claiming is "Health insurance makes people fat.")
ALL THREE OF THE FOLLOWING ARE REQUIRED
1) For a causal relationship to be present, you must demonstrate the presence of a correlation. Just for the heck of it (and without even seeing the study and/or without analyzing that actual study on all the levels necessary) I will assume that we have this causal relationship based on this one study. (I won't even talk about all the sampling problems in a study such as this because it isn't necessary to prove my point).
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2) For a causal relationship to be present, you must be able to demonstrate a temporal relationship. If A causes B, then A necessarily comes before B. If A (having health insurance) causes B (being fat), then A (getting insurance) must come before B (getting fat), namely. people cannot be fat until they get health insurance. Of course we have no way of showing this to be true. It is just as likely as not that people who are fatter are more likely purchase and/or receive health insurance, and it is just as likely (for whatever reason) that fatter people are more likely to purchase or obtain health insurance than those who are not fat.
Example:
Maybe fat people are more worried about their health than people who are not fat, and therefore more likely to obtain insurance.
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3) For a causal relationship to be present, you must be able to rule out alternative plausible explanations for the correlation. That means the study has to control for everything else that might make one group of people (A = those with health insurance) fatter than another group of people (B = those without).
In this case there are so many other variables which might explain this correlation. For example, money might have something to do with it. Class might have something to do with it. Luck might have something to do with it. Use of alcohol might have something to do with it. Marriage and family associations might have something to do with it. Likewise we have age, gender, race, fear, personality, disability, and temperament, just to name a few alternative explanations for this correlation in this study. Perhaps people with a certain type of personality style or temperament are more likely to both be fatter and have health insurance, for example, and that same logic could be applied to any of the other variables I have listed.
Additional possible examples:
Maybe older people are both fatter and more likely to have health insurance.
Maybe married people are both fatter and more likely to have health insurance
Maybe disabled people (who automatically get medicare) are more likely to be fat
see what I'm saying here?
I watch this kind of thing all the time on FOX. They take a study and they they find a way, falsely and wrongly, to show it in a light that serves their cause. They are opposed to Obama's health reform, therefore they are going to take this study and say "Oh Look! Health insurance makes people fat, therefore it is bad, therefore we shouldn't give it to all of our citizens." Lying with statistics...there's an example, and it's common one.
Now...Do you feel a lot smarter? If you read and understood this, you are well on your way to getting a doctorate if you want one
Anyway, on this topic, how many are going to watch the new show More to Love tonight? Do you agree with the critique of some people who are saying "This TV show More to Love is bad because it will make people fat, or it will make people more likely to stay fat."
What do you think might be a problem with THAT claim to a causal relationship?
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Comments (19)
That study is moronic. People without health insurance can't afford to eat every five minutes. People with health insurance have money to spare. Obviously, those without don't blow their money on junk food, at least the smart ones who care about their health, otherwise they would spend in on health insurance.
If you can't afford health insurance, I'm sure you can't afford to gorge yourself on lardcakes.
Leave it to Fox to make an ass out of themselves.
http://xkcd.com/552/
That is all.
Oh my god! I'm seeing another relationship! Fox News makes people retarded! Is that correlation or causation? Brb, I'm gonna go make up some statistics.
Even if the study doesn't level out I still don't agree with Obama's health reform. I guess they just took a poll and more people with health insurance are fat, which would hold true in my family for quite a few people. Did you hear about the astronaut testing out new underwear that absorbs water and doesn't smell? I thought that was pretty neat.
Lol I took stats, but I don't think you need to say much more than "correlation does not imply causation."
@xNicolax@xanga - Actually the population below the poverty has greater incidences of obesity than the rest of the population. If you think about it, ultimately the cheapest food tends to be the unhealthiest. Plain white bread is less expensive than quality 100% whole wheat bread, and a McDonald's cheeseburger will cost less than a grilled chicken walnut spinach salad from Panera. If you're poor, you don't have the luxury of buying organic, low-fat, healthy, high quality food, and you're more distracted trying to keep your kids away from the drug dealers, setting mouse traps, and finding a job so you can afford to live in your shoddy apartment. You don't have time to exercise regularly or the money for a gym membership, much less a personal trainer.
...I've been required to read wayy too many articles on health insurance and health disparities.
FOX news seems to bringing anyway possible to make health care reform look bad.
But this is a problem with all reports on scientific studies. More often than not, because of sound bites, news networks try to make the juiciest headline. Just recently I remember hearing about this "radical, new study that proves how pollution is dangerous to your bun in the oven." The study was a comparison of pregnant women who lived in either pollution filled environments or lesser-pollution filled environments. All I remember the newscaster says was that the results showed that babies born in lesser-polluted environments had higher birth weights.
But there was nothing on how the study was conducted (natural experiment, ex post facto, qualitative study?), who funded it (government, college, private?), where it was conducted, was it repeated, what is the major scientific opinion on it. No details that would give us validity were given.
Personally I think that InTheThin@xanga has the right of it when it comes to the options available at a lower income. Health care in the US is spread in harsh disparities.
This is one of the best posts I've ever seen on Healthkicker. Fantastic!
@C0ll33Ncorps@xanga - LOL, good one!
@sparkle1202@xanga - hey thanks!
this is why i dont like fox. they are too hardcore and stupid.
I see all sorts of ridiculous shit n the BILL OH REALLY SHOW. I watch it sometimes for shits and giggles.
@C0ll33Ncorps@xanga - LOL!!!
@Illusions_chan@xanga - Great comment. "Studies" are always fishy; they tend to leave out the key variables in the report. And it's no surprise when conservatives and companies owned by conservatives do ANYTHING to throw off the public from real issues.
Great post, Loon.
- plexi
FOX news is such crap 90% of the time lol
I take whatever they say with a grain of salt!
good post =)
I vote that people who have insurance are fatter because they have more money than us poor, insuranceless people. But htat's just my two cents.
FOX is just ridiculous. They take everything a good news station is supposed to be, and do the complete opposite, yet people still buy this crap. I believe the Daily Show more than I do FAUX News.
@Von_Bon@xanga - HERE HERE!
- Kunoichi
Hahahhaah, you gotta love Fox news. It's the other Comedy Central. I think they get their stories from Onion news.
Interesting to see how FOX uses part of the good ol' scientific method in coming up with its conclusion that health insurance makes people fat.
Bwaahaahaahaa! *falls off chair* wait... that's really fucking sad. Ugh, we are such a stupid species.
People are fat for so many reasons... insurance not being the top of the totem pole.
First of all, I'd like to see less people whineing about their problems and being more proactive. If people studied their problems with weight and eating like they were studying to earn a degree, they wouldnt be so fat.
If you looked at your weight problem with the same sense of priority... the kind it takes to arrive at work on time. To keep a job, and pay the bills... you'd be less fat.
Point is, people are so casual about helping themselves, that it makes me irritable.