Monday, 05 March 2012
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Have You Heard of State-Sponsored Rape?
Virginia poised to enact a "State-Sponsored Rape" law, forcing women to be vaginally probed before abortions. Legislator suggests that women who consent to sex also consent to vaginal probing. And I say... What about rape victims? How can they force rape victims to be penetrated again against their will?
The revised criminal definition of rape is "the penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object." It is 100% rape as it is legally defined.
Earlier this month, a bill requiring women to receive an ultrasound before they can receive an abortion passed the Virginia senate, and it recently cleared a state house committee with an overwhelming majority. Bill would be to force most women to undergo a stunningly invasive procedure for no medical reason whatsoever.
An unnamed lawmaker told a fellow Virginia delegate, a woman already consented to being "vaginally penetrated when they got pregnant."
The state is forcing women to be penetrated with an object against their will in order to obtain a LEGAL medical procedure. I find Virginia's invasion of a woman's right to choose an end run around Roe V. Wade and an invasion of a woman's person!
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Virginians are still obsessed with virginity even after they have been deflowered....hmmm interesting. Humans orifices are either made to be poked at or poked out of....I am not sure what you are getting at.
The objection is to a medical procedure. Are you aware of how an abortion is actually performed? There is no magic fairy dust involved.
Who else is reminded of the Family Guy episode where Peter takes the doctor to court after "raping" him during a prostate exam?
I assume there is actually a reason for the "vaginal probing," considering the bill actually says women are required to get an ultrasound before an abortion. NOT that they are required to be raped. People are crazy. It's not a big deal. It's not like you can lose your virginity to a stick (even though you are already pregnant).
If your getting an abortion, I don't understand what the medical reasons are behind needing to "probe" around. Or even ultra sound. Are we checking to make sure the fetus we are about to get rid of is healthy? Thats a bit moot now isn't it?
As a Pro-Choice, I say get the fuck out of my Vagina. I say who pokes what when. Not the Gov't.
@XRuhigX@xanga - Except when something goes wrong and the woman decides to sue the doctor for not taking proper precautions and doing a thorough exam before completing a medical procedure.
But whatever, no biggie.
That is like saying because I have sex before anyone can have sex with me because I already contented once.
although I don't consider this RAPE (can people relax please?), a transvaginal ultrasound is more definitive than a transabdominal ultrasound in determining gestational age. by doing so, women can consider if they want a surgical abortion or a medical abortion -- by which the latter isn't as invasive and could only be done the first couple of weeks of pregnancy.
I do believe it's recommended that women should get ultrasounds before having abortions in such cases as an ectopic pregnancy. I don't think it should be mandated though. what it seems like to me that the conservative christians in the south are attempting to "humanize" the
fetus to discourage the mother from aborting in the guise of a medical
necessity.
@immoral_sensei@xanga - No, it actually isn't like that at all, because a medical procedure is not the same as having sex
Not to mention the fact that referring to everything as rape that isn't is doing a serious disservice to women who are ACTUALLY raped. Let's not dilute to seriousness of the word RAPE by applying it to every situation that anyone thinks is any sort of violation.
@krispylicious@xanga - EXACTLY.
Calling this rape is just hysterical nonsense. But you're absolutely right in that it's some bullshit conservative guilt-trip and an unnecessary procedure.
@XRuhigX@xanga - the ultrasound is for making sure, without a doubt, that you are pregnant. urine and blood tests can be wrong.
No, they do NOT show the ultrasound to the patient unless the patient asks to see it.
It's necessary because it would be a waste of time and supplies to do preliminary abortion procedures if you're NOT even pregnant.
@AmorVomnia7@xanga - it's not a guilt trip because they do NOT show the ultrasound to the patient unless the patient asks to see it. It is necessary to determine that you are pregnant. Urine and blood tests can be wrong.
If so many people had not been comparing this to rape, I might have actually cared about the issue. Even if ultrasounds were not necessary for abortions, the sheer number of people crying "rape" when it is obviously not has made me not bother.
Women should not be forced to receive an ultrasound that is not medically necessary. Early abortions are often attained using medications. This is nonsensical.
@Ms_Lola_Mae@xanga - A medical procedure is not rape. Calm down and stop making it sound worse than it is.
Here's an idea... if you dont want an abortion; don't get one. If you don't want an abortion that requires an ultrasound of this nature; go get one in a different state. Problem Solved.
@Ms_Lola_Mae@xanga - You are supposed to get an ultrasound before having an abortion anyways so the age of the fetus is as exact as possible which is pretty damn important for knowing which method of abortion to choose. If the fetus is young enough a standard ultrasound may not pick up, a transvaginal ultrasound becomes necessary. Yes, those hurt and they do suck, but it is not rape if you are consenting to the procedure. Christ, that is just like saying I was raped when I had to undergo a physical to purchase health insurance.
These ultrasounds were going on before this bill was passed unless the procedure was being performed by a halfwit incompetent. Were you crying rape before? Most like you were not.
I do not know how it can be any more "obvious" that it is not rape.
its not rape
You're volunteering to the procedure while having an abortion. I really don't see how that's rape. You can simply say, "no, I don't want you to vaginally probe me." Only problem with that is you can't get an abortion. Oh well, choose between "rape" and childbirth. And really, why do we have to call everything rape? Rape is a serious thing, having a medical procedure is also serious but it's a fucking medical procedure. It's not like you're being invaded against your will. YOU HAVE TO CONSENT. Jeez.
I have a gynecologist appointment tomorrow, where she is going to 'vaginally probe' me, although I'd rather not have it done, I know it's good for my and my partner's health.
Don't you have to have something put 'in there' for an abortion anyway? What's the big deal?
@XRuhigX@xanga - Probably to make sure you are actually pregnant. I've heard stories of people going to get abortions and then the doctor finding out they aren't pregnant. =\ The ultrasound it most likely just a safety protocol. Idk.
@snarkius@xanga - No worries. The loss of such a suggestible opinion is no loss at all, anyway.
I can understand why a woman who has been raped would feel violated by this ultrasound procedure. However, she would probably feel violated by a routine, yearly visit to the gynecologist as well. During these yearly routine visits, a woman is poked and prodded a bit. It's just a part of the check up. I can see both sides.
Usually abortion doctors are highly pro-choice and do not agree with invasive laws. Thus, they do everything in their power to make the patient as comfortable as possible during these procedures. As someone who as been present during an abortion, the entire thing lasted about 5 minutes, and the doc had excellent bedside manner. She used the probe but made the patient feel very at ease with everything she was doing.
this is the dumbest post i have ever read. BTW The ultrasound is to se ehow far along the pregnancy is. Because sometimes women come in not knowing how far along they are and if they are past a certain point they can't have a "regular" abortion.
Me personally, I think this is rubbish. Did you even research up on anything before you wrote this post? Abortion disgusts me! Have any one of you looked into how it's done and the possible injuries a woman can walk away with? If the doctor doesn't do it exactly right then the woman can walk away not able to even have a baby anymore. Why don't you just suck it up and live with the mistake that you made instead of taking the easy way out. I'm so tired of seeing girls my age resorting to this. There are other ways of getting rid of something you don't want and killing doesn't have to be the way.
and rape? really? of all the things why does rape have to be the word you used. Violated maybe but rape? You have consented to get things checked out, therefore it's not rape.